Chat#5: On telling stories & agency ethics

Posted on Wednesday 14 June 2006

In today’s chat, Lee talks about Donna Papacosta’s recent post on why you must tell a story if you want to be memorable as a conference speaker. Allan amiably agrees until Lee says “but that’s not what you said a couple of weeks ago…”
Allan riffs on John Wagner’s recent posts about industry credibility. Allan believes if the average business-person’s perception of the industry is going to improve, it’s up to small-and-medium-sized agencies to do it. Lee is not so sure. And since John doesn’t like podcasts, we’ll probably never know what he thinks.

What do you think? Agree with us? Disagree? Drop your comments on this post, or send a Waxmail to ‘comments at commscafe dot com’.

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5 Comments for 'Chat#5: On telling stories & agency ethics'

  1.  
    June 14, 2006 | 3:50 am
     

    Allan and Lee, thanks for the shout-out. I’ll bet your podcast is the best!

    But seriously, I think it’s imperative that everyone in our industry work to overcome negative perceptions. Big, small or mid-sized, we all make an impact every day in our interactions with clients and prospects.

  2.  
    June 14, 2006 | 4:53 am
     

    Thanks for the Google juice, guys. Nice job on the podcast, as always.

    I agree that we communicators can “tell a story” AND be succint. It all comes back to the old adage: Know your audience. When I meet with a corporate communications manager, I need to talk in terms he or she can understand. Sharing examples of what others have done in similar situations (communicating with employees, solving problems, etc.) should do the trick.

  3.  
    June 16, 2006 | 3:35 am
     

    I completely agree with you Alan (gasp) that small to mid-size agencies have the upper hand and influence over industry perception.

    I was disappointed to read John Wagner’s post, I don’t hold out much hope for a change in PR’s perception, do you? Yikes! How widespread is this lack of faith? It is lack of faith that will be the downfall of the industry…and people going out on their own and not fighting/collaborating for changes. Edelman is not the FIRST to broach the subject, but vague messages about change prevail with no solution. All of us need to get back to basics and learn how to communicate with each other.

    Alan, you are right that messages tend to get lost within larger companies.

    Communicators Anonymous Twelve Steps —

    “Assuming we are spiritually fit, we can do all sorts of things alcoholics are not supposed to do.” Alcoholics Anonymous p. 100

  4.  
    June 18, 2006 | 6:16 pm
     

    Hi Guys

    On your comments about the need for brevity or whether to tell a story in the last show.

    Lee, you are a psychologist. The need for long synaptic tentacles to develop links and memories is critical for people to understand what is being said and how relevant it is to their perceptions and their context.

    The idea that we can reduce meaning to the typical answer from marketers that we only need three core messages is a nonsense. There has to be context. Now, the context can be provided elsewhere but it has to be readily available and in the appropriate context.

    All other communication is scream marketing - and the half of the advertising budget that does not work

    Enter Public Relations. All those backgrounders, case studies and conversations create the context.

    Years ago, when I was in practice ( and in my case the PR department was in charge of Marketing which was a fantasic revolution at the time), I did a series of experiments. We found we could increase the ROI of advertising by increasing the depth and reach of PR stories (most case studies).

    We had discovered that the editorial coverage was creating the context for the add to be effective.

    Keep telling stories, keep holding conversations but make them relevant to the context, the Social Frame, of your audience.

    Kind regards from the land of the Moonrakers

  5.  
    June 18, 2006 | 6:18 pm
     

    The tale of Moonrakers is here: http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/moonraker.html

    So people in this county of Wiltshire are called moonrakers.

    As a matter of fact, my great grandfather was an excise man… fortunately in Cornwall.

    Kind regards,
    David

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